Liberation from Ignorance
There millions of worlds beyond this physical one.
[Questioner] Coming from a completely different angle W... did I think broach thesubject of "humanness" and how that fits into enlightenment. I'm not really sure what I quite made of your reply but from my standpoint "Enlightenment" and "Compassion" are part of the same dance. Do you agree? I think you probably do but words can sometimes inadequately convey what is intended.
[Oshana] Compassion is definitely here. It feels like I am teaching all the time, every single second to bring Liberation from Ignorance. I even talk in my sleep and appear in others dreams.
I was looking at a friend's face recently and every time her face changed then mine also did for her. This suggests an experience that happens not in the physical. If only the physical eye and the brain was involved then t our faces would have changed at different times and not the same time. There are lots of experiences like this happening around me everyday. There millions of worlds beyond this physical one.
[Questioner] On reading the e-mail from you to Heather, I see you mention the "enigmatic" nature of teachers.... so I guess in that context some may seem to be or actually be more compassionate than others.
[Oshana] Exactly so. It is an appearance. Though I have wondered about certain teachers who seem harsh and mean but I am not with them so I can't comment too much. It is known that people do project on teachers and can have vastly different reactions. I gave a meeting in London recently and everyone was buzzing and blissed out - I thought. Then at the end a man dressed a black leather jacket seemed put out when I asked if he was OK. He had failed to understand how a young man like myself was having such a powerful effect. He felt the need to be generally critical of those present and hang on to his association with 'his' dead teacher, that was, J. Krishnamurti. He clearly was reacting strongly to the event, and sent me a long email that night. I was considering putting it on the list as an example of how a person can be oblivious to what is going on inside and outside and reacts unfavourably. But I prefer love and light and sugar and spice, don't you?
[Questioner] You asked me on the couch "How was my spiritual life going" or something like that and yesterday I found myself saying to S... that I wasn't in a hurry to get enlightened. I think I've come round to the idea it'll happen when it's destined to happen. Also another friend asked me yesterday something rather like what you asked when I went to see her. I said something like I was interested in being more deeply relaxed. She said that if I got any more relaxed I'd end up as a puddle!.. People imagine I'm relaxed!... but internally I'm fairly wired up from my standpoint!
[Oshana] I can see that there is a lot going on inside you. I realise that you can't be rushed in your thinking. I don't think that your thinking rhythm is slow (as it can be) but that you put your thoughts through a lot of intellectual processes before you say something.
I can see that there is a lot going on inside you. I realise that you can't be rushed in your thinking. I don't think that your thinking rhythm is slow (as it can be) but that you put your thoughts through a lot of intellectual processes before you say something.
Similarly, you have picked up this 'slow' approach to getting 'IT' when really a part of you really wants it.
[Questioner] Whether I'm going backwards or forwards spiritually or whether indeed there is a forwards or backwards reminds me of John Lennon's words..."How can I go forwards when I don't know the way I'm facing!"
[Oshana] You are confused about 'IT'. That truly is the state of the seeker. But some people can feel the 'Space' around a teacher and they appreciate it to an extent and some don't feel it consciously at all and in the case of the 'black leather jacketed man' feel left out of the party and start criticising the guests.
[Questioner] I have been very touched by Ramesh's teaching the last few years... Have you come across his books? The teacher who has most inspired me in this lifetime is Ramana.
[Oshana] That's a lot of teachers, you spoke of Jean Klein before. I could be inspiring with words. But inspiration is only *bait*. It just means a part of you is open. Yet, people get so proud - not you necessarily.
People around Ramesh seem lethargic about getting 'IT'. True, they don't know what to -and his words act like an 'anti-anxiety-pill'.
Around Jean Klein's crowd there can be a lot of word games as if people are trying to re-create the experience by mimicking his syntax. He was French anyway!
Of course, Ramana! What seekers library could be complete without him. But I have to say it. He never existed. Ponder that!
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[Questioner] In the context of backwards and forwards I remember reading In The Himalayas a book by Guru Subramanium and he said something like "Enlightenment is nothing in front of you. Nothing behind you. Nothing to the left of you. Nothing to the right of you. Nothing above you and nothing below you!"
That's funny - isn't he the Sri Lankan ex-nightclub singer who lives in a beautiful Welsh Valley. You could just driven up the road! Anyway, that's a lovely saying, but not as good as that zen patriarch one you sent. That was the best about having 'no preferences'
Instead of 'Nothing' you could say "Porridge for Breakfast Porridge for Lunch Porridge for Supper...... makes for a happy bear"
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